Group 5's Thoughts on Chapters 12 & 13

Holden ride a taxi but it smells someone's just tossed his cookies in it. He talked with taxi driver about duck live in central park and fish. Holden hate this talk with old Horwitz Next, Hodlen arrived at Ernies’s store. Holden met Lillian Simmons who was Holden brother’s friend. Lillian Simmons wanted to join Holden. However, Holden did not want join her, so he said lie to her that met someone. Finally, When Holden went to hotel, he thinking about the past. Holden was timid. For example in his experience, he lost his gloves in Pencey. If he knew who stolen, he just did rough expression and did not hit criminal. He despair that thinking about timid himself. Before, he went to hotel, he found a small bar. However, Holden looked two men in front of bar, so he did not want go bar. Finally, Holden went to hotel. When he took a elevator, he met a elevator guy. He said that send some girl to him. Holden said okay. Then Holden prepared welcome to her like brush his teeth and changed his clothes. Holden meet prostitute, and they talk together. Postitute want sex with Holden, but Holden steel does not want. Holden want any talking to prostitute, so Holden question to prostitute. For example, What’s your name? How old are you?, and Do you smoke?. However, prostitute feel bored, so prostitute get money and went.

Thinking

I think that Holden was wrong. He accepted elevator guy suggestion. This decision was not good to Holden. If I were Holden, I refused that suggestion. Even thought I do not understand why he wanted drinking some alcohol. He was high school student, so he must not drink some alcohol. That reason I do not understand about him. 
Also, holden live in complicating and uninteresting world. Holden looks like weakly. Just drink and smoke. I think his life is repeating everday.

Question for commentators:
If you met brother’s friends, how you have handled a conversation with her? 

Other Groups:

Group 1: Commentator
Group 2: Heckler
Group 3: Philosopher
Group 4: Commentator

Group 4's Thoughts on Chapters 10 & 11

In chapter 10, Holden though his sister Phoebe before going downstairs to the Lavender Room. He wanted to call to her, but Holden gave up because if he calls his sister, his parents received his calling, and his parents realized that Holden leaves school, so he cannot call to Phoebe. Then Holden went to Lavender Room. He could not order alcohol to waiter because Holden looks young. He danced with woman, and Holden paid for their drinks, then he left the Lavender Room.

             In chapter 11, Holden went to the hotel. I was thinking Jane Gallagher. I knew Jane Gallagher very well. “This is real.” She loves to play checkers and all of kind sports. Jane and Holden friendly cause is her dog. Holden mother does not like Jane because Jane Gallagher her dogs Doberman to destroy Holden a front yard. One day one of the new father bothered her. When Holden and Jane played checker games. Jane cried. Holden held her, kissing her face and comforting her. Holden and Jane never touch each body but they held hands constantly. Holden thinks it is very happy. Anyway Holden took the taxi go to the club. 

Feeling: Holden’s mind become tired gradually. He misses his family, so we can infer what Holden thinks from observing their behavior. Holden missed first love. Watching it Holden is a just boy.

For Commentators:  What kinds of music or dance appropriate in Lavender Room?   What artists, songs, or types of dance would work.

Other groups:

Group 1: Heckler

Group 2: Commentator

Group 3: Philosopher

Group 5: Commentator

          

Group 3's Thoughts on Chapter 9

In chapter 9, when Holden got off at penn station, he wanted to call anyone, but he had no one to call. He rode in taxi and told to taxi driver a place address where he want to go. Then he was so damn absent-minded, so he told to driver a address that was his house. When taxi was passing park, he noticed what he told to driver. he got to the Edmont Hotel, and he checked in. In there, he watched a lot of strangers, so he thought only he was normality. In hotel, they played with call-girl like hooker. Holden thought that is not good. To analyze, that behavior is one of disgusting things. When Holden has known one girl for two years that girl was more dirty than him. Holden could't understand well about sex. Holden hung on telephone and hesitated about to call Jane.

Anyway he called to Faith Cavendish, and had some short conversatation. Than he failed to drink cocktails with Faith.

When we read this chapter, we think my opinion is same as Holden's think. That behavior is absolutely dirty things. It can not be possible naturally. Oh my god~ how weird peoples they are. We want that they need to shy themselves about thier behavior.

HW(for commentator):If you saw that situation like Holden, what will you do and what kind of think do you have?

Group 2's Thoughts on Chapters 7 & 8

In chapter 7, Holden ran away from his room, and he went to the Ackley’s room. Ackley already know fought Stradlater and Holden, Holden want to sleep for Ely’s bed in Ackley room. Because of Ely did not stay Ackley’s room. At the first time, Ackley did not want to sleep Holden in Ely’s room. Finally, Holden suck up to Ackley, so he accept Holden’s request. Holden lie down on the bed, and he think about Stradlater and Jane. Holden think that tey are enjoying love. Holden suddenly decide about run away from school, because Holden was so impress. So he went to the outside.

In chapter 8, Holden went to train station. The reason of station is deep in the night. In empty train, unknown woman sit down next to Holden. He likes this situation, because Holden likes girl. At that time, woman told him, “Are you student of Pencey high school?” Holden answer is “yes”. As soon as, the woman says,” Do you know Erenst Morrow? He is my son.” Ernest Morrow’s parents worried for their son. Because his personality timid. Ernest Morrow was treated as an outcast in pencey high school. However, Holden did not tell her about fact of Ernest Morrow. So Holden have to white lie. Holden told to Ernest Morrow’s parents what Morrow is almost elected class representative.

During we read chapter 7 and 8 we think about our adolescence. Our adolescence was very similar like Holden’s adolescence behavior. For example YuSu he couldn’t go school and Kyung Wan he couldn’t go home. Know we all escape adolescence, so see the senior position Holden has to come out adolescence quickly.

Homework for commentators: If you are Holden’s situation what do you? And what are you think about Morrow’s mother in chapter 8?

Other Groups: 

Group 1: Commentator

Group 3: Philosopher

Group 4: Heckler

Group 5: Commentator

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis's thoughts on Chapters 5 & 6

In chapter 5, Holden spends time with Mal and Ackley, after they meet, Holden have to composition because Stradlater asked. The composition topic is Allie’s glove. Holden tries to describe about Allie and his glove. Allie is Holden’s younger brother. He died because of leukemia. He is smart in family, and as such every teacher always happy because he is clever boy; also they send the message to his mother. His hair color is red. When Holden was 11 years old, he slept in garage and broke all windows in garage, because his brother died. His mother took him to check his mind. Nowadays, he cannot clench his fist perfectly because he hurt when he broke the window. In our opinion, in chapter 5, Holden miss his younger brother, also he dislikes his brother because of his ability. We felt he is very immature when I read about Holden break the windows because his brother died.

           In chapter 6, When Holden finished the composition, Stradlater comes to his room. Stradlater was on a date with Jane while Holden does composition. Stradlater checks the composition paper, then he gets angry because Holden describes about glove. Holden gets angry too, and then he tears the composition paper. Stradlater touches Holden make upset and they fight. In chapter 6, when we read about fight situation, when we read about fight situation, If we have something problem with friend at any situation, I think friend always need person to me, but Stradlater acted very wrong to Holden and these acting is not friend’s acting. He does his acting so badly that make Holden angry. Thus, I think existence of friend once more and realize varied of friend

Homework for commentators – Write and share your experience and result about fight like Chapter 6 situation and how it made you feel.

Example Blog Post

Hey, ladies and gentlemen! Here's an example of what I would like your group to do for a blog post. This blog post is about 350 words. If this was a student example: stuff in blue shows me you read the chapter (it shows key events/details), stuff in red shows me you have examined/questioned what you read, and tried to make sense/build understanding of what you read, and what is underlined is the homework: which asks your classmates to make meaning from the text/react to the text/characters in some way based on what they read. You don't actually have to color your posts, but I just wanted to show you for the example how things should be balanced.

Example Post:

In chapter 2 of Catcher in the Rye (CITR) we meet a new character: Mr. Spencer. Mr. Spencer, who is Holden's History teacher, seems to be worried/upset about Holden's efforts in class. For example, Mr. Spencer tells Holden "Life is a game, boy. Life is a game that one plays according to the rules". He worries that Holden isn't actually living up to his potential and what he can actually achieve. However, even though he seems to be trying to help Holden, Holden doesn't want to listen. Maybe Holden isn't the nicest guy or the best student, or maybe he doesn't really like Mr. Spencer, which is why he isn't listening to him.

In fact, rather than listening to Mr. Spencer, Holden starts thinking about something else. He starts daydreaming about where the ducks  near the "lagoon in Central Park" go when winter comes around. It seems such a strange thing to be thinking about when someone is trying to help you out. Maybe the ducks mean something to Holden? Maybe they are symbols of something bigger?

For homework, do the following:

Describe Holden in just six words.

Why do you think Holden starts thinking about the ducks? What do you believe the ducks mean to him? What might they represent?